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Hoot Mon
18-03-11, 06:00 PM
A problem I often have with my chanter reed is having one very flat note, usually, but not always, on the high hand. Iíve been told that shaving a reed can correct this but havenít had much luck when trying it. Any tips?

ppyper1
18-03-11, 06:16 PM
Imagine your reed divided into 9 sections. (One section per note) the High A starting at the top (opening of the reed). If your "F" is flat, move down the reed to the F "position" (third section down) and shave it there just a little on both sides.

Wha la!! :bg:

Piccadilly Piper
18-03-11, 08:09 PM
I have a C that is giving me fits, maybe I could try this. Do you divide the 9 sections from the tip to the hemp or from the tip to about say an 1/8th inch off the hemp?

redneck
18-03-11, 09:02 PM
Mmmmm, several ways this can be approached, my choice would be to sink the reed slightly to get the high A you desire, then tape the notes accordingly. ( if needed )

Not a big fan of shaving / scraping reeds.

ppyper1
18-03-11, 10:33 PM
I agree with you Red. Although, you don't want too much tape on your chanter.

A flat C Cameron? I wouldn't scrape for a note that low, I only use the scraping trick on the upper 2-3 notes (if it can't be sunk any further and I don't want a chanter full of tape).

What chanter are you playing? A flat C is unusual. You may have a wonky reed. Have you talked to Rob or Dale about it? As far as scraping. I start the sections from the top (opening of the reed) and work down. Like I said, I don't scrape for anything lower than the F, possibly the E if it's really bad, so you're only going to be going down towards the staple about an 1/8 of an inch or so.

Piccadilly Piper
18-03-11, 10:45 PM
Yep a flat C, it showed up at the parade the other day and has not gone away. Dale says it is almost like I have another chanter, but it is a band chanter. I changed to this reed right after Barclay so it is not that old. I have tape on several other notes already including my D so going deeper is not good. I think I am going to switch reeds, but I don't want to I like this one's strength.

Hoot Mon
19-03-11, 05:48 PM
I'm not a fan of more tape on my chanter than I absolutely need and pyper1's suggestion seems like the trick. The problem I had in the past would be if, say, I had a flat F and I shaved my reed then other notes that had been in tune would then be flat and need to be taped. You know, if Moamar Kaddafy had my reed troubles he wouldn't have time for a war.

redneck
21-03-11, 07:35 PM
I had a flat F and I shaved my reed then other notes that had been in tune would then be flat and need to be taped.

Hmmmmmm, I normaly tape the sharp notes, not the flat yins.

acadianpiper
31-03-11, 03:49 PM
The problem I had in the past would be if, say, I had a flat F and I shaved my reed then other notes that had been in tune would then be flat and need to be taped. You know, if Moamar Kaddafy had my reed troubles he wouldn't have time for a war.

The usual remedy for a flat F is to cut a tiny sliver off the top of the reed. Most of the time this will solve the problem. This will sometimes make the reed harder to blow, in which case you might need to scrape it a little to reduce its strength. Chris Apps has an excellent video on Youtube demonstrating the procedure.

I agree with Redneck: you can't remedy a flat note by taping it. I have seen some pipers attempt to sharpen a note by taping the bottom of the hole. This has no effect. As a piper once said to me, "We used to tape the bottom of the hole to try to make a note sharper, and convinced ourselves we could hear a difference."

Hoot Mon
31-03-11, 04:42 PM
Hmmmmmm, I normaly tape the sharp notes, not the flat yins.

Yes, sharp. The in-tune notes go sharp not flat, that's what I meant. Thanks for picking that up.

Nathaniel
31-03-11, 10:05 PM
If it is HA, can you push it in a bit till the HA is sounding like you like. Then listen against LA and see if it is balanced.

If not, i have chopped a bit off the end of a reed to good effect. It can ruin a reed sometimes, make it harder, or sometimes (when lucky) it fixes the problem.

John Bolt
31-03-11, 10:27 PM
This is about the best article I have read on reed manipulation.

http://pipehacker.com/2011/03/30/scraping-bagpipe-chanter-reeds/#more-779

acadianpiper
01-04-11, 12:23 AM
That's a good article as far as it goes, but the techniques described in it apply only to molded reeds although the article does not make this clear. I wouldn't try any of those techniques on a ridge-cut reed such as the popular Ross. With a ridge-cut reed, it is recommended that you lightly scrape only the area just above the shoulder without touching the lips. Scraping the sound box of a ridge-cut reed can seriously weaken it and radically shorten its life (to a matter of mere days in the most severe cases). I have seen this happen to several reeds.

redneck
01-04-11, 04:53 PM
Yes, sharp. The in-tune notes go sharp not flat, that's what I meant. Thanks for picking that up.

Just my sense of humour man, a knew wat ya meant lol ; - )

John Bolt
01-04-11, 07:06 PM
Here are some really handy URLS on the subject

PC reeds

http://www.hendersongroupltd.com/library_reeds_practice.asp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xcyrxwezvc
http://www.hendersongroupltd.com/cart/pc/viewCategories.asp?idCategory=151

Pipe reeds

http://pipehacker.com/2011/03/30/scraping-bagpipe-chanter-reeds/#more-779
http://www.youtube.com/user/appsreeds#p/a/u/2/iun6aan3ls0
http://www.hendersongroupltd.com/library_reeds_pipechanter.asp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuN6AAn3Ls0&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nPWs2193_o&feature=related

Using a Mandral

http://www.youtube.com/user/AppsReeds#p/a/u/1/e1tqU3e7gd0

Justin Howland
03-04-11, 10:47 PM
That's a good article as far as it goes, but the techniques described in it apply only to molded reeds although the article does not make this clear. I wouldn't try any of those techniques on a ridge-cut reed such as the popular Ross. With a ridge-cut reed, it is recommended that you lightly scrape only the area just above the shoulder without touching the lips. Scraping the sound box of a ridge-cut reed can seriously weaken it and radically shorten its life (to a matter of mere days in the most severe cases). I have seen this happen to several reeds.

I only agree in part. I have an excellent reed that is a couple years old and still going strong. This is, in part, how our band scrapes reeds and we have had no problem (not even during our hot/dry/way above sea level summers).

I personally like playing ridge-cut reeds because to me there's much more room to experiment when it comes to scraping. I consider the ridge-cut reeds to be "unfinished", actually, and find it beneficial to scrape a little at a time in order to free up the cane.

There are a lot of variables, however. Where you're scraping is in part dependent on what is available to scrape. Too close to the top and you're going to start getting a sound much like the reed's appearance: thin and sharp. Your F will undoubtedly come up but the reed will almost certainly not vibrate the same throughout. The idea is to have the entire reed vibrate, not just the tip.

Johnniez
11-07-12, 02:13 PM
http://pipehacker.com/wp-content/uploads/reedscrapemethods1.pdf

Scottish piper
11-07-12, 03:09 PM
Not late at all Johnnie...


;)

needs more tape
16-08-12, 07:12 PM
Try Shaun Husk. His web site has a lot of information.

bill murphy
15-02-13, 06:20 PM
"Some days you get up and play the pipes and it sounds pretty good and you win. Some days you try and nothing works and the pipes win. This goes on and on and then you die and then the pipes win."
OH MAN I HEAR THAT.!!!

John Bolt
16-02-13, 06:09 PM
You can make e reed very easy without touching the blades

This it the best article I have found

http://pipehacker.com/2011/03/30/scraping-bagpipe-chanter-reeds/#more-779

and more here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nPWs2193_o&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/user/appsreeds#p/a/u/2/iun6aan3ls0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hQEwLNGFvo&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
http://www.pipereeds.com/index.php/resources/working-with-maclellan-reeds
http://www.bagpipejourney.com/articles/chanterreedmod.shtml

Bish
05-01-14, 07:42 AM
Gently pressing the lips together works for a short time, then it goes back to where it started.