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Minho
15-06-12, 03:26 PM
Being from way down south, as in 30 miles from France down south, we don't have any youth bands at all, and only three local bands. However, being that the closest one's about 45 minutes away and doesn't have many younger players, A mate and I sort of devised a scheme to get younger kids interested in piping and drumming. Not a competition band on the whole - although that could happen, but one to get people started off and up to a standard where they can then perform in competitions if we do them, or go solo/join one of the local bands.

I've been able to secure some funding and a location if I do choose to take it so thats not too much of a problem. But would it work?

Then again this was a One o'clock in the morning idea and maybe stupid so I don't know :P

piper_dancer
15-06-12, 03:29 PM
It would never hurt to try! There's quite a few youth bands around that seem to be working (both school-related and non school-related). I would say go for it and see what happens...if the interest is there, you might be onto something!

Churchill
15-06-12, 04:06 PM
We started a training band and it's a lot of work for the guys involved but the kids love it and there's some realy talent coming through which is eventually going to benefit us massively.

Remember as well that you guys will have to get disclosures etc as you'll be working with kids. One other thing to think about but I'll PM you that.

Heed
16-06-12, 10:40 AM
Of Course it'll work! Am I correct in guessing you are or were an Air Cadet? You guys have been on the right track down there for years now, would be fantastic if you could keep it going after cadets. (if thats the plan).

We may already know each other, whether we do or not, please either message me here or add me on facebook? Be glad to be of assistance.

Minho
16-06-12, 04:05 PM
It would never hurt to try! There's quite a few youth bands around that seem to be working (both school-related and non school-related). I would say go for it and see what happens...if the interest is there, you might be onto something!

I've had a lot of interest from friends who are Pipers/Drummers wanting to help out, and also with local charities etc, so we can only hope we are :)

Of Course it'll work! Am I correct in guessing you are or were an Air Cadet? You guys have been on the right track down there for years now, would be fantastic if you could keep it going after cadets. (if thats the plan).

We may already know each other, whether we do or not, please either message me here or add me on facebook? Be glad to be of assistance.

Sent a PM. If you know any of the staff down here, may i ask it to be kept... Shh? We want to present it as a surprise, show what we've done etc haha
(Especially Leslie and Sally!)

Heed
16-06-12, 07:40 PM
I've had a lot of interest from friends who are Pipers/Drummers wanting to help out, and also with local charities etc, so we can only hope we are :)



Sent a PM. If you know any of the staff down here, may i ask it to be kept... Shh? We want to present it as a surprise, show what we've done etc haha
(Especially Leslie and Sally!)


Just pm'd u. Didnt see yer request. Sure, no probs. Will they be onside? This isn't a wee splinter group or anything?

Incidentally if you DO want to keep it quiet, I'd keep it off all forums. I know quite a few South Coasters who read this and Dunsire. Might even be too late.... Good luck. As I said, love the stuff u guys and the adults are doing, you deserve success and recognition

Minho
16-06-12, 07:54 PM
Just pm'd u. Didnt see yer request. Sure, no probs. Will they be onside? This isn't a wee splinter group or anything?

Incidentally if you DO want to keep it quiet, I'd keep it off all forums. I know quite a few South Coasters who read this and Dunsire. Might even be too late.... Good luck. As I said, love the stuff u guys and the adults are doing, you deserve success and recognition

No, we're just looking to show them later on and say "look at what we've done" and to have it our way so to speak, nothing influenced and trying a whole new system of running it that we came up with

If it's too late ah well, but they'd be getting told sooner or later so it doesn't bother me too much.

dunc4
18-06-12, 01:44 PM
sounds like you have a plan,the other thing to be mindful of is making them feel like that you want them to be part of the new way forward/vision or whatever way you wish to present it to them,,,,i'm now the boss of a band of varying levels of skill,ggroan...

Scottish piper
18-06-12, 04:57 PM
Best of luck with it - we have real problem recruiting anyone, without being age selective! ;)

However, if (when!) it gets going - make yourself known! Get out to as many competitions as you can.

I'm suprised when I see cadet pipers and bands in the local paper, when I've never heard of them before.

I would've joined one of their bands if I saw them at a competition a couple of years ago, but at 17 I'm getting on a bit (lol), and am now PM of CCPB, and playing with Uni of Bedfordshire, so too many commitements atm.

Again, best of luck!

If you need any help give me a pm or whatever - just two years ago we were starting our own band, so I fresh memories (pains)!

JHaslip
18-06-12, 06:00 PM
Honestly most youth bands can be very, very, very productive...for example. I live in Edmonton Alberta Canada, not exactly known as a piping Hotbwed, but theres a solid culture here... The Edmonton Boys Pipe Band, back in 2002(?), under the fantastic PM(Instructor) Arnie Stone, went to Scotland, and won the world juveniles... i beleive no piper or drummer was over the age of 19, possibly 18 and under... Most of those memebres later went on to play with Bands of great repute, such as (and Mainly) Alberta Caledonia... so uyes, youth bands work.... Also Cadet Bands tend to be quite efficient as well... the only downside is you have a hard time recruiting age groups at the skill level you'd want, or you have to start from scratch and teach them all and hope they stay... aside from that good idea

Minho
18-06-12, 11:17 PM
Just pm'd u. Didnt see yer request. Sure, no probs. Will they be onside? This isn't a wee splinter group or anything?

Incidentally if you DO want to keep it quiet, I'd keep it off all forums. I know quite a few South Coasters who read this and Dunsire. Might even be too late.... Good luck. As I said, love the stuff u guys and the adults are doing, you deserve success and recognition

I told Lesley earlier, she's over the moon that we're trying it :)

sounds like you have a plan,the other thing to be mindful of is making them feel like that you want them to be part of the new way forward/vision or whatever way you wish to present it to them,,,,i'm now the boss of a band of varying levels of skill,ggroan...

We do, we've covered everything :)

Best of luck with it - we have real problem recruiting anyone, without being age selective! ;)

However, if (when!) it gets going - make yourself known! Get out to as many competitions as you can.

I'm suprised when I see cadet pipers and bands in the local paper, when I've never heard of them before.

I would've joined one of their bands if I saw them at a competition a couple of years ago, but at 17 I'm getting on a bit (lol), and am now PM of CCPB, and playing with Uni of Bedfordshire, so too many commitements atm.

Again, best of luck!

If you need any help give me a pm or whatever - just two years ago we were starting our own band, so I fresh memories (pains)!

17, yeah loads older than I am! ;) CCPB? I'll pm you in a second.

Honestly most youth bands can be very, very, very productive...for example. I live in Edmonton Alberta Canada, not exactly known as a piping Hotbwed, but theres a solid culture here... The Edmonton Boys Pipe Band, back in 2002(?), under the fantastic PM(Instructor) Arnie Stone, went to Scotland, and won the world juveniles... i beleive no piper or drummer was over the age of 19, possibly 18 and under... Most of those memebres later went on to play with Bands of great repute, such as (and Mainly) Alberta Caledonia... so uyes, youth bands work.... Also Cadet Bands tend to be quite efficient as well... the only downside is you have a hard time recruiting age groups at the skill level you'd want, or you have to start from scratch and teach them all and hope they stay... aside from that good idea

We want to start from scratch, but more importantly to bring people together and have a laugh whilst making music :)

Scottish piper
19-06-12, 05:12 PM
Hi again,

i've cleared my pms, so if you could send it to me, that'll be great.
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"to bring people together and have a laugh whilst making music "

If I was to give one piece of advice to anyone, this is it.

It's a hobby at the end of the day - it's got to be fun. There is no point doing something if you feel depressed, frightened or scared stiff whilst doing it. Something that a few tend to forget...

Minho
20-06-12, 07:58 PM
Hi again,

i've cleared my pms, so if you could send it to me, that'll be great.
...............Double post automerged..............
"to bring people together and have a laugh whilst making music "

If I was to give one piece of advice to anyone, this is it.

It's a hobby at the end of the day - it's got to be fun. There is no point doing something if you feel depressed, frightened or scared stiff whilst doing it. Something that a few tend to forget...


Shall do :P

I try to make it as fun as possible, even just teaching at cadets I try to make it a laugh - Seriously non-serious :D

JHaslip
20-06-12, 08:07 PM
I told Lesley earlier, she's over the moon that we're trying it :)



We do, we've covered everything :)



17, yeah loads older than I am! ;) CCPB? I'll pm you in a second.



We want to start from scratch, but more importantly to bring people together and have a laugh whilst making music :)
Yeah, thats the long road, but you can build a good band that way... downside is obviously the delay in getting out there and being seen/heard...

Minho
20-06-12, 08:13 PM
Yeah, thats the long road, but you can build a good band that way... downside is obviously the delay in getting out there and being seen/heard...

Yeah, however down here we're somewhat lacking in decent, young pipers. Decent pipers yes, young decent pipers is another matter. However, if people in the age range do come along and they have experience, we'll still happily take them on :)

JHaslip
21-06-12, 12:21 AM
well absolutely, but nonetheless i wish you the best of luck with it... keep us informed...

Minho
21-06-12, 01:16 PM
well absolutely, but nonetheless i wish you the best of luck with it... keep us informed...

Will do, We have a pretty logo now and everything :P

JHaslip
21-06-12, 03:33 PM
Will do, We have a pretty logo now and everything :P
excellent! if im ever down your way in the world ill swing by and jamm lol

Minho
21-06-12, 05:04 PM
excellent! if im ever down your way in the world ill swing by and jamm lol

Haha :P

What do people think of the logo? (http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/562072_3470663888967_1680992131_n.jpg)

Scottish piper
21-06-12, 05:44 PM
It's nice, but I wouldn't have the tartan.

Here's my reasoning.

1) Your logo will come to represent everything about your band. As such you will find you will (should!) be using it on stuff like letterheads, on trinkets, pens, perhaps even your bass drum in a few years! As such, you want something which is 'clean', easy to print, and cheap to print.

Try printing it out as a letterhead. You'll find that the tartan doesn't come out well - 9/10 it looks messy. You want to avoid this.

Also, it's not easy to print, for the fact that there are loads of colours going on. Also, these colours are fading, so you've suddenly increased the number of colours again!

And with this increase in colours comes an increase in cost. Each ink costs money, so bear this in mind.


Try having a look at various logos of companies and bands. You'll find that most of them are very simple, and very memorable.

Take McCallum bagpipes for example. Just a couple of rings, which are all one colour. This is a great logo, because it's memorable, and cheap to recreate.


In the end though, it's up to you. :)

SP

Minho
21-06-12, 06:00 PM
It's nice, but I wouldn't have the tartan.

Here's my reasoning.

1) Your logo will come to represent everything about your band. As such you will find you will (should!) be using it on stuff like letterheads, on trinkets, pens, perhaps even your bass drum in a few years! As such, you want something which is 'clean', easy to print, and cheap to print.

Try printing it out as a letterhead. You'll find that the tartan doesn't come out well - 9/10 it looks messy. You want to avoid this.

Also, it's not easy to print, for the fact that there are loads of colours going on. Also, these colours are fading, so you've suddenly increased the number of colours again!

And with this increase in colours comes an increase in cost. Each ink costs money, so bear this in mind.


Try having a look at various logos of companies and bands. You'll find that most of them are very simple, and very memorable.

Take McCallum bagpipes for example. Just a couple of rings, which are all one colour. This is a great logo, because it's memorable, and cheap to recreate.


In the end though, it's up to you. :)

SP

Thanks, I was thinking of changing it as it was just a 5 minute experimental design but wanted to see if people liked it :)

Scottish piper
21-06-12, 06:10 PM
And that's a much better profile pic. ;)

Minho
21-06-12, 06:44 PM
And that's a much better profile pic. ;)

Less of my ugly mug, more pipes ;)

Cheers for you email, just replied to it.

JHaslip
21-06-12, 06:50 PM
ok so Im with SP on this one... that would make a great business card front, with info on the back; or a website banner... but most bands i can thing of just use a crest of sorts...

for exampkle

the pipes and drums of the Edmonton Transit Service (and Official City Band):

http://www.etspipesanddrums.ca/ETS2/Home_files/logo.png

Adopted after induction as an official city band the logo consists of the standard "starburst" shield, city coat of arms, and some banners for script... easy peasy... formally it was just a thistle in a laurel of maple leaves and ETS yadada written on it.... very simple designs, very memorable, very easy to ID and reproduce...

Scottish piper
21-06-12, 11:15 PM
Still a bit busy though.

That's the difference between a crest, and a logo.

A logo is very simple, think the golden arches of Mc Donalds. Only 1 colour, yellow, and it's a 'M' shape.

Nike, again it's just a tick - often one colour.

Minho
21-06-12, 11:34 PM
Still a bit busy though.

That's the difference between a crest, and a logo.

A logo is very simple, think the golden arches of Mc Donalds. Only 1 colour, yellow, and it's a 'M' shape.

Nike, again it's just a tick - often one colour.

What'd be a suggestion, I need inspiration :P