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Old 05-03-08, 12:36 PM   #1
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Default Loose Slides, Ferrules, and/or Mounts

At what time would it be considered "normal" for adornments to become loose and require glue, hemp, teflon tape, etc. to hold them in place again?

Is this a normal thing? Do these things come loose in time regularly?

I'm just trying to get a feel for it. Let's say your slides, mounts, and ferrules have come loose after owning a set of pipes for less than 2 years...is this acceptable/normal? Should they never come loose? Should they come loose many years from the date of manufacture?

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Yes it is quite normal and can happen at any time.

Different materials expand and contract at different rates due to different conditions. Glue's will fail for many reasons and can't be predicted with absolute certainty.

Winter months in Canada are especially hard on the pipes due mostly to the constnt stress they are put through going from wet to dry by playing and storing. Dry central heating and low relative humidity in the air are the main culprit.
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So it is perfectly normal for things to come loose on bagpipes then, and relatively soon after being made, and is not a mark of poor aging of wood?

This isn't to say it is or is not happening to mine, but just a general question...
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When I bought my pipes Mr. Soutar told me that a ferrule might come loose, and if it did that I should just glue it back on. I notice the ring caps have pins through them, which seems like a good idea.

It seems like after two years, the wood should be pretty well settled down. It doesn't seem like it ought to move all that much after that point, assuming they're played regularly.
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I would say no it's not generally a sign of poorly aged wood. I've seen new and old pipes with loose things, and new and old pipes with tight fittings. Metal ferrules are the most commonly cited example of loose fittings and in my experience is quite commonly found in pipes of all makes and brands from all ages.

Extreme examples could very well be a sign of poorly aged wood, faulty manufacture, or even a failure of the glue that was used. There was time long ago when metal fittings were commonly nailed onto the pipes. My information indicates that this fell out of favour mainly because it could lead to cracks forming in the wood, and so pipe makers turned back to using various glues to hold them in place.

My personal pipes are 100 year old. I had metal replaced on them a few years ago. Recently one of the ferrules came loose as did an ivory bushing. I doubt it was because the wood wasn't aged properly.

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The degree to which the wood is seasoned is very important but so is the precision with which the fitment was fitted.

If a fitment is well-fitted to well-seasoned blackwood, the piper should expect the fitment to remain in place for a good while provided the piper is attentive to care and maintenance.

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My personal pipes are 100 year old. I had metal replaced on them a few years ago. Recently one of the ferrules came loose as did an ivory bushing. I doubt it was because the wood wasn't aged properly.
That makes sense! So I wonder what's going on then? Maybe you need to be playing more

Just kidding. You mentioned dry winters -- in my house the humidity is pretty constant, winter and summer, staying right around 60%. I feel really fortunate.

The pins in my ring caps are pretty nifty - they're not nails, but hollow spring steel. If you look at the end of the pin, it looks like a "c". I assume that this type of pin was chosen as it would stay tight while allowing the wood to expand and contract. I don't know what happens if I ever actually want to remove the cap though.
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I hear more about loose fittings during the winter months than I ever do during the spring, summer.
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So if somebody WERE to find loose fittings, they should glue them back on? Any particular kind of glue? Wood glue? Gorilla glue? I only ask because the person who has the loose fittings asked me to find out.

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I think I'd use hide glue (ultra thick gelatin applied hot) because it resists creeping, it's water soluble, and it's very strong. It's the glue they use to make string instruments.
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