pinwheels

**thistle_dancer** · 10-07-08, 03:30 PM

I am having seriose trouble getting my pinwheels to alternate. They keep syncing up. Any tips or adivce to fix this would be welcome.

**Sashi** · 10-07-08, 03:56 PM

Hi...

I use to have the same problem...

But the only answer I can gice you is to just keep practising, I had to practice for months on end befor I got the hang of it and yet my sticks still crash sometimes...

There are some links to videos on the tenor drumming section of this forum...

I think there the Kells Tenor Drumming Tutorials...

**thistle_dancer** · 10-07-08, 04:12 PM

Thanks. i figured that the only option was try try and try again. But one can always hope for a quick fix. I'm glad I not the only one with this problem.

**dharron** · 10-07-08, 04:18 PM

I'm not sure exactly which flourish you refer to as a "pinwheel", but as TheOzzMission says, the alternating hand problem in any flourish can only be overcome by practice. Another thing that will help is to try to stay relaxed. If your hands and arms are too tense it's very easy to lose control of your sticks. I still have the same problem at times if I lose my concentration or tense up.

As was mentioned in another thread, the Kells tutorials are not available on the Internet at this time, although some of us are fortunate enough to have grabbed them while they were. Kenny Hiner has some tutorials Youtube, but I think you have the link to those already.

**thistle_dancer** · 10-07-08, 04:45 PM

pinwheel is how my instructor refers to a two handed forward spin, with your hands very close together in the center

**dharron** · 10-07-08, 05:48 PM

OK, I thought that was likely it. Others refer to it as a cartwheel. Did I mention you need to just keep practicing?

**Sashi** · 10-07-08, 06:03 PM

Hey...

I did manage to get the videos in time from the kells tutorials...

I can try and link them to you...

I am not good with computers, but I will try and see if I can copy the file and either post it up or send it to you via email...

Trying it now...

**Sashi** · 10-07-08, 06:08 PM

I think...

Ok, I have saved the videos on my Photobucket account...

What you need to do is creat a photobucket profile, thin I can share the videos with you...

http://photobucket.com/register/?spe...v_tab_join_now

Click on above link to join up...

**Sashi** · 10-07-08, 06:12 PM

Not sure if below will work but try it anyway...

Link removed by mlf at the request of video owner.

**Bashful** · 10-07-08, 07:26 PM

I've taught a few people who have difficulty with alternating their sticks, whether it be with a flourish (or split the feather) or a pinwheel (cartwheel). I find that sometimes it can be your hand positioning or it can be that you're using your arms too much rather than your wrists.

If it's your hand positioning, the way I try to keep my sticks straight is to practice a pinwheel by facing a corner of a wall, or something like that. That way, you can try to line your sticks up with the corner and keep them straight. If you find that this doesn't help you, try looking at your hand position when practicing in front of a mirror. You may find that one hand is facing differently than another or one hand may be spinning faster than the other, therefore causing your sticks to get tangled up or spin at the same time. This is also a result of using your arms more than your wrists. Almost all beginning tenor drummers will learn swings by practicing moving their arms, however, once sticks become tangled, etc. it's soon remedied by using their wrists to keep their sticks moving.

Another thing you can try is doing a pinwheel with one hand then slowly bringing your other hand up into the pinwheel (or by "throwing it over your shoulder". If that doesn't make sense, let me know so I can explain it a bit better). It may help with getting them to alternate a bit better. Also, if you have your hands too close together (or too far apart), it can also have the tangled/not alternating affect.

It's one of those things where you need to find a happy medium. So, keep practicing, and it'll come. I know everyone hates to hear it, but it'll come with time, so just keep trying!

If you have any further issues, feel free to contact me through e-mail or PM. I'm no expert, but I've learned a few tricks along the way.

Later,

B

10-07-08, 03:30 PM	#1
thistle_dancer Super V.I.P. Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: near chicago Age: 28 Posts: 521 Casino cash: $1745 Country: Thanks: 20 Thanked 30 Times in 27 Posts	pinwheels I am having seriose trouble getting my pinwheels to alternate. They keep syncing up. Any tips or adivce to fix this would be welcome. __________________ -tenor drummers do it with flourish... My Countdown Counting down to: potato plantin' time now for the rest of the garden...

10-07-08, 03:56 PM	#2
Sashi Super V.I.P. Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: London Posts: 209 Casino cash: $1777 Country: Thanks: 144 Thanked 56 Times in 40 Posts	Hi... Hi... I use to have the same problem... But the only answer I can gice you is to just keep practising, I had to practice for months on end befor I got the hang of it and yet my sticks still crash sometimes... There are some links to videos on the tenor drumming section of this forum... I think there the Kells Tenor Drumming Tutorials...

10-07-08, 04:12 PM	#3
thistle_dancer Super V.I.P. Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: near chicago Age: 28 Posts: 521 Casino cash: $1745 Country: Thanks: 20 Thanked 30 Times in 27 Posts	Thanks. i figured that the only option was try try and try again. But one can always hope for a quick fix. I'm glad I not the only one with this problem. __________________ -tenor drummers do it with flourish... My Countdown Counting down to: potato plantin' time now for the rest of the garden...

10-07-08, 04:18 PM	#4
dharron Secret Agent. Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Santiago de Chile Age: 63 Posts: 6,971 Casino cash: $13415 Country: Thanks: 603 Thanked 831 Times in 574 Posts	I'm not sure exactly which flourish you refer to as a "pinwheel", but as TheOzzMission says, the alternating hand problem in any flourish can only be overcome by practice. Another thing that will help is to try to stay relaxed. If your hands and arms are too tense it's very easy to lose control of your sticks. I still have the same problem at times if I lose my concentration or tense up. As was mentioned in another thread, the Kells tutorials are not available on the Internet at this time, although some of us are fortunate enough to have grabbed them while they were. Kenny Hiner has some tutorials Youtube, but I think you have the link to those already. __________________ Some days depression is the only thing that makes the day worth living. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. My Countdown Counting down to: Guess! Ok, that's one year down...

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thistle_dancer Super V.I.P. Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: near chicago Age: 28 Posts: 521 Casino cash: $1745 Country: Thanks: 20 Thanked 30 Times in 27 Posts	pinwheel is how my instructor refers to a two handed forward spin, with your hands very close together in the center __________________ -tenor drummers do it with flourish... My Countdown Counting down to: potato plantin' time now for the rest of the garden...

10-07-08, 05:48 PM	#6
dharron Secret Agent. Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Santiago de Chile Age: 63 Posts: 6,971 Casino cash: $13415 Country: Thanks: 603 Thanked 831 Times in 574 Posts	OK, I thought that was likely it. Others refer to it as a cartwheel. Did I mention you need to just keep practicing? __________________ Some days depression is the only thing that makes the day worth living. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. My Countdown Counting down to: Guess! Ok, that's one year down...

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Sashi Super V.I.P. Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: London Posts: 209 Casino cash: $1777 Country: Thanks: 144 Thanked 56 Times in 40 Posts	Just In time.. Hey... I did manage to get the videos in time from the kells tutorials... I can try and link them to you... I am not good with computers, but I will try and see if I can copy the file and either post it up or send it to you via email... Trying it now...

10-07-08, 06:08 PM	#8
Sashi Super V.I.P. Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: London Posts: 209 Casino cash: $1777 Country: Thanks: 144 Thanked 56 Times in 40 Posts	Got It... I think... Ok, I have saved the videos on my Photobucket account... What you need to do is creat a photobucket profile, thin I can share the videos with you... http://photobucket.com/register/?spe...v_tab_join_now Click on above link to join up...

10-07-08, 06:12 PM	#9
Sashi Super V.I.P. Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: London Posts: 209 Casino cash: $1777 Country: Thanks: 144 Thanked 56 Times in 40 Posts	Try This... Not sure if below will work but try it anyway... Link removed by mlf at the request of video owner. Last edited by mlf; 11-07-08 at 09:29 AM..

10-07-08, 07:26 PM	#10
Bashful Administrator Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Ontario, Canada Age: 27 Posts: 2,332 Casino cash: $1217 Country: Thanks: 988 Thanked 464 Times in 339 Posts	I've taught a few people who have difficulty with alternating their sticks, whether it be with a flourish (or split the feather) or a pinwheel (cartwheel). I find that sometimes it can be your hand positioning or it can be that you're using your arms too much rather than your wrists. If it's your hand positioning, the way I try to keep my sticks straight is to practice a pinwheel by facing a corner of a wall, or something like that. That way, you can try to line your sticks up with the corner and keep them straight. If you find that this doesn't help you, try looking at your hand position when practicing in front of a mirror. You may find that one hand is facing differently than another or one hand may be spinning faster than the other, therefore causing your sticks to get tangled up or spin at the same time. This is also a result of using your arms more than your wrists. Almost all beginning tenor drummers will learn swings by practicing moving their arms, however, once sticks become tangled, etc. it's soon remedied by using their wrists to keep their sticks moving. Another thing you can try is doing a pinwheel with one hand then slowly bringing your other hand up into the pinwheel (or by "throwing it over your shoulder". If that doesn't make sense, let me know so I can explain it a bit better). It may help with getting them to alternate a bit better. Also, if you have your hands too close together (or too far apart), it can also have the tangled/not alternating affect. It's one of those things where you need to find a happy medium. So, keep practicing, and it'll come. I know everyone hates to hear it, but it'll come with time, so just keep trying! If you have any further issues, feel free to contact me through e-mail or PM. I'm no expert, but I've learned a few tricks along the way. Later, B __________________ "Double milk for the kid!"

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